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The future we're building -- and boring | Elon Musk

Hey, welcome back to Ted. It's great to have you here. So in the next half hour or so, we're gonna spend some time exploring your vision for what an exciting future might look like which I guess makes the first question a little ironic. Why are you boring? Yeah, ask myself that frequently the we're trying to dig a hole.

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Under LA and this is to create the beginning of what will hopefully be a 3D network of tunnels..

To alleviate congestion. So I mean right now it's one of the most Soul destroying things is traffic and infects people in every part of the world. It's it takes away so much of your life and your this it's horrible. It's particularly horrible in LA. And and also I think you've brought with you the first visualization that's been shown to this comedian. I show this. Yeah, absolutely. So this is the first time yeah, we're just too.

Show what we're talking about so that a couple of key things that are important in having a 3D tone that work. First of all, you have to be able to integrate the entrance and exit of the tunnel seamlessly into the fabric of the city. So by having a an elevator sort of a sort of a car skate that's on an elevator. You can integrate the entrances and exits to the tunnel Network just by using two parking spaces..

And then the car gets on a skate. There's no speed limit here. So we're designing this to be able to operate at 200 kilometers an hour about a hundred thirty two hundred kilometers an hour or about 130 miles per hour. So you should be able to get from say Westwood to LAX in six minutes five six minutes..

The possibly initially down. It's like on a set of toll road type basis. Yeah, which I guess alleviate some traffic from the surface streets as well. So I think if you will notice in the video, but there's no real limit to how many levels of of tunnel you can have it you can go much further deep then you can go up the deepest mines are much deeper than the tallest buildings are tall so you can Levy 8 any arbitrary level of urban congestion..

With it with the 3D tunnel Network. This is a very important point so icky rebuttal to the tunnels is that if you add one layer of tunnels, then that will simply leave your suggestion will get used up and and then you'll be back where you started back with congestion, but you can go to any arbitrary number of tunnels any number of levels but people seem traditionally it's incredibly expensive today and that would block this idea. Yeah. Well their rights to give an example the.

La Subway extension which is I think it's a two and a half mile extension that was just completed for two billion dollars. So it's roughly a billion dollars a mile to do the subway extension in LA and this is not the highest utility Subway in the world. So yeah, it's quite difficult to dig tunnels. Normally. I think we need to have at least a tenfold improvements in the cost per mile of tunneling..

And how could you achieve that? I guess actually if you just do two things you can get to approximately an order of magnitude Improvement and I think you can go beyond that. So the first thing to do is to cut the tunnel tunnel diameter by a factor of two or more. So a single Road Lane tunnel would according to regulations has to be 26 feet. Maybe 28 feet in diameter to allow for crashes and emergency vehicles and sufficient ventilation for.

Combustion engine cars, but if you if you shrink that diameter to what we're attempting which is 12 feet, which is plenty to get an electric skate through you drop the diameter by a factor of 2 and the cross-sectional area by a factor of four. So and the tunneling cost scales with the cross-sectional area. So that's roughly a half order of magnitude Improvement right there Then telling machines currently tunnel by half the time then they stopped and then the rest of the time is.

Ting in reinforcements for the tunnel wall. So if you have a design that machine instead to do continuous tunneling and reinforcing that will give you a factor of two Improvement combine that and it's a factor of eight also these machines are far from being at their power or thermal limit so you can jack up the power to the machine substantially. I think you can get at least a factor to may be a factor of four or five improvements on that on top of that. So I think the there's a fairly straightforward series of steps to.

You get somewhere in excess an order of magnitude Improvement in a costume aisle and our Target actually is we've got a pet snail called Gary. This is from Gary the snail from South Park. I mean, sorry, I'm SpongeBob Squarepants SpongeBob Squarepants. So so Gary is capable of currently. He's capable of going 14 times faster than a tunnel Boring Machine, okay..

You've got to be Gary. We want to beat Gary He's not a patient little fellow and we want the two that will be victory victory is beating the snail but a lot of people imagining dreaming about future cities. They imagine that they actually the solution is is sort of flying cars drones Etc. You take you go above ground. Why isn't that a better solution you save all that tunneling cost right are in favor of flying things and also do rockets..

So I like things that fly. This is not some inherent bias against flying things, but there is a challenge with flying cars in that they the requite noisy the wind Force generated will be very high. They there's let's just say that if something's flying over your head through a whole bunch of flying cars going all over the place..

That is not an exciting and anxiety reducing situation. You don't think to myself. Well, I feel better about today. You're thinking like did they service their hub cap or is it going to come off and Guillotine me as to find us?.

And so you'll see you've got this Vision in future city is with this these rich 3D networks of tunnels underneath. Is there a time here with with hyperloop. Could you apply these tunnels to use for this hyperloop idea you had You released a few years ago. Yeah. So we've been sort of puttering around with the hyperloop stuff for for a while. We built a hyperloop test track adjacent to SpaceX just for a Student Competition to encourage innovative..

of ideas and transport actually ends up being the biggest vacuum chamber in the world after the Large Hadron Collider by volume, so.

So it's sort of quite quite fun to do that, but it's kind of a hobby thing. And and then we think we might so we developed a little Pusher car to push these the the student pods, but we're going to try seeing how fast we can make The Pusher go if it's not pushing something so I mean like so cautiously optimistic we'll be able to faster than a the world's fastest bullet..

Even in a point Eight Mile Stretch. Whoa the brakes. It's yeah. I mean it's yeah, it's really gonna smash into tiny pieces or but you can you can build quite you can picture then a hyperlink in a tunnel. Yes running quite quite long distances exactly. So in looking at telling technology turns out that in order to make a tunnel you have to in order to seal against the water table. You've got a.

Really design a tunnel wall to be a good to about five or six atmospheres. So to go to vacuum is only one atmosphere or near vacuum. So actually it sort of turns out that automatically if you build a tunnel that is good enough to resist the water table is automatically capable of holding back you huh? So yeah..

So you can actually fix this like like what kind of length tunnel do is in Iran's future running hyperloop. Yeah, I think there's no there's no real length limit you could you could you could do as much as you want. I think the if you were to do something like a DC to New York hyperloop. I think you probably want to go underground the entire way because it's a high-density area that this going you're going under a lot of buildings and houses..

And if you go deep enough, you cannot detect the tunnel and this is sometimes people think well, it's going to be pretty annoying to have a tunnel dug under my house. But if that tunnel is dug more than about three or four tunnel diameters beneath your house. You will not be able to detect it being dug at all. In fact, like the if you if you're able to detect the tunnel being being dug you whatever device you're using you can get a lot of money for that device from the Israeli military who's trying to detect.

miles from Hamas and from the US Customs and Border Patrol that try and detect drug tunnels. So if you the reality is that Earth is incredibly good at absorbing vibrations. And once the tunnel death is below a certain level. It is undetectable. Maybe you have a very sensitive seismic instrument. You might be able to detect it. So you've started a new company to do this called the boring company very nice. Very very funny..

Um, but how it's funny but how how much of your time is this?.

It's it's maybe two or three percent. You've put a hobby. This is this is what an Elon Musk hobby. Looks like I mean, it really is like we actually, you know, this is basically interns and people doing a part-time. So this is like we bought, you know, Mission some secondhand machinery and it's just it's kind of puttering along but it's making good progress. So.

so an even bigger part of your time is being spent on electrifying cars and transport through Tesla is one of the motivations for the for the tunneling project the realization that actually in a world where cars are electric and weather and whether self-driving that may end up being more cars on the roads on any given hour and there are now yeah exactly the.

A lot of people think that once when you make cars autonomous that they'll be able to go faster and that will alleviate congestion and to some degree that will be true. But once you have shared autonomy where it's much cheaper to go by car, you can go point-to-point. The affordability of going in a car will be will be better than that of a bus like every cost less than a bus ticket. So the amount of driving that will occur.

Much greater with share autonomy and actually traffic will get far worse. I mean you started testing with it with the goal of persuading the world to that electrification was the future of cars and a few years ago. People were laughing at you now, not so much. I mean, okay what I mean is there? No, I don't know maybe some but isn't it true that isn't it? True that pretty much every auto manufacturer has announced serious electrification plans for the.

short to medium term future. Yeah. Yeah, the the I think almost every automaker has had some electric vehicle program. They vary in seriousness. Um, some are very serious about transitioning entirely to electric and some are just dabbling in it and some amazingly are still pursuing fuel cells, but I think that won't last much longer isn't that isn't there a sense? Do you know where you you could now just declare Victory and say, you know, we did it..

The world electrifying you gone and focus on other stuff..

Yeah, I intend to stay with Tesla as as far as the Futures I can imagine and there are a lot of exciting things that we have coming. I've got obviously a model 3. It's coming soon. We'll be unveiling the Tesla semi-truck and everyone's looking to come to the surface of the model 3. So it's coming supposed to be coming in July dish. Yeah. It's looking quite good for starting production in July..

Wow, one of the things that people are so excited about is the fact that it's Scott autopilot and you put out this video a while back showing what that what that technology look like or would look like. Yeah. There's obviously autopilot in Model S right now. Yeah. What are we seeing here? Yeah. So this is using only cameras and a GPS. There's no lidar or radar being used here. This is just using.

passive Optical which is essentially what a person uses the whole Road system is meant to be navigated with passive Optical or cameras. And so once you solve cameras Vision, then autonomy is solved if you don't solve Vision, it's not solved. So that's why our focus is so heavily on having a vision neural net that's very effective for road conditions..

Right many other people are going The lidar Roots You Want cameras plus radar is most of it. You can absolutely be superhuman with just cameras. Hmm, but you could probably do 10 times better than humans would just just cameras since the new cars being sold right now have eight cameras in them that yeah that they can't yet do what that showed. When will they be able to.

I think the we're still on track for being able to go cross-country from LA to New York by the end of the year of fully autonomous. And so I can't by the end of the year. You're saying. Yeah, someone's going to sit in a Tesla without touching the steering wheel tap in New York off. It goes. Yeah won't have to ever touch the Wheel by the end of 2017. Yeah, essentially November was.

December of this year, we should be able to go from yeah all the way from a parking lots in California to parking lot New York. No controls touched at any point during the entire Journey..

And Magic part of that is possible because you've already got a fleet of Tesla's driving all these roads, you're accumulating a huge amount of data of that National Road system. Yes, but the thing that will be interesting is that I'm actually fairly confident. It will be able to do that route. Even if you change the route dynamically so it gets.

Really easy? What if you say I'm going to be really good at one specific around that's one thing but it should be able to go really be very good certainly. Once you enter a highway to go anywhere on the highway system in a given country. It's not like it's not sort of limited to La New York. We could we could change it make it Seattle Florida that that day or you know in real time. So you were going from LA to New York now go from LA to.

to Toronto.

So leaving aside regulation for a second that in terms of the technology alone the time when someone will be able to buy one of your cars and literally just take the hands off the wheel and go to sleep and wake up and find that they've arrived how far away is that to do that? I say that's what that's about two years, but that's the real trick of it is not you know, how do you make it work say 99.9% of the time because like if a car crashes say one in a thousand.

Times then you're probably so lucky to be comfortable falling asleep. That's you know, you shouldn't be certainly he said but it's but it was here we go. It's not going to be it's never going to be perfect. No system is going to be perfect. But you say it's perhaps it's if the call is unlikely to crash in a hundred lifetimes or a thousand lifetimes then people like okay. Wow if I would live a thousand.

Lives I would still most likely never experienced a crash then that's probably okay to sleep. I guess it consent of yours is a people may actually get seduced too early to think that this is safe. Yeah, and then you'll have some horrible incident happen that which then puts things back. Well, I think that the autonomy system is likely to at least mitigate the the crash except in rare circumstances that the things I appreciate about Vehicle Safety is this is this is probabilistic so that there.

And there's some chance that any time the human driver gets in the car that they will have an accident that is their fault. Hmm. It's never zero. And so the really it's the key threshold for autonomy is how much better is this autonomy need to be that a person before you can rely on it. But once you get that hand literally safe hands off driving the power to disrupt the whole industry seems massive because at that point you've spoken of people being able to buy a.

Carl drops you off at work and then you let it go and provide a sort of uber-like service to other people earn you money, maybe even cover the cost of your lease of that car exactly and kind of get a car for free. Is that is that really likely? Yeah, absolutely. This is what will happen. So there will be a shared autonomy Fleet where you buy your car and you can choose to use that car exclusively. You could choose to have it be used only by friends and family only by five star..

Other drivers who are rated five-star you can choose to share it sometimes but not other times. That's that's that's 100% what will occur it's just question of point..

Wow, so you mentioned this Ma and I think you're planning to announce it in September, but I'm curious whether there's anything you could show us today. I will show you a teaser shot of the addition of the chocolate shop. It's alive. Okay? No. No, that's definitely a case. We want to be cautious about the autonomy features because that's just we can't see that much little bit. It doesn't look like just a.

So friendly neighborhood truck, it looks kind of badass how what sort of what sort of semi is this. So this is a heavy duty long range semi truck. So it's like that highest weight capability and and with long-range, so essentially it's meant to alleviate the heavy-duty Trucking loads, and this is something which people to not today think.

As possible to think the truck doesn't have enough power or it doesn't have enough range. And then with this with the Tesla semi we want to show that no an electric truck actually can out torque any diesel semi and puts put if you had a tug-of-war competition like the Tesla semi will tug the diesel semi uphill..

Got and short-term design driverless. These These are going to be trucks that truck drivers want to drive..

Yes, so I will be really fun about this is you don't have you have a flat talk RPM curve with an electric motor whereas with a diesel motor or any kind of challenge question engine car. You've got talk OPM curve that looks like a hill. So this will be a very spry truck you could drive us around like a sports car. There's no gears. It's like single speed. So this is a great movie to be made here somewhere. I don't know what it is, and I don't know that ends well, but it's a great way..

It's quite beside test driving the you know, when I was driving the test prototype for the first track, it's really weird because you're driving around and you're just you're so Nimble and you're in this giant truck. Well, you've already driven a prototype that I drove it around the parking lot. I was like, this is crazy. Wow, this is not that molasses like driving this giant truck and it sort of making these mad Maneuvers. This is called okay from a really badass picture so it kind of.

Less fat ass picture. This is just a cute house from Desperate Housewives or something. What what what on Earth is going on here? Well, this illustrates the picture of the future that I think is how how things will evolve you've got electric car in the driveway. If you look in between the electric car and the house there are actually three power walls are stacked up against the side of the house. And then that that house roof is a solar roof. So it's that's an actual solar glass roof. Okay, so those.

Those that's a picture of a real that's it. Well admittedly. It's a real fake house that that's a real fake house. So these roof tiles some of them have in them. Yeah, basically solar power the ability to yeah the sort of small glass tiles where you can you you can adjust the texture and the color a very fine grain level and then there's sort of micro lubbers..

In the class such that when you're looking at the roof from street level or close to street level all the tiles. Look the tires. Look the same whether there is a solar panel behind it or solar cell behind it or not. So you haven't even even color from from the ground level. If you were to look at it from a helicopter. You would be actually able to look through and see that some of the glass tiles have a solar cell by.

find them and some do not right you put them in you put them in the ones that are likely to see a lot of sun. Yes, that makes these rules super affordable right there. Not that much more expensive than that. Just tiling the roof. Yeah, the the were very confident that the cost of the roof plus the cost of electricity that this that there's a solid glass roof will be less than the cost of a normal roof plus the cost of electricity. So it's this will be economically a no-brainer..

It will look we think I look great and it will last I mean we thought about like having the the warranty V infinity but then people that well that might sound like we were just talking about much but actually the like the business like this is toughened glass like well after the house has collapsed and there's nothing there the roof will high tide with the glass tiles will still be there. Is that something you're running a school?.

In this out in a couple weeks time, I think with for like four different Roofing types. Yeah, we're starting off with two to initially and then the second two will be introduced early next year. What's the scale of ambition here? How how many houses do you believe could end up having this type of roofing? I mean, I think eventually I think eventually almost all houses will have a solar roof. Now the thing is to consider the time scale..

Well here to be probably on the order of 40 or 50 years. So on average a roof has replaced every 20 to 25 years. So but you don't you don't start replacing all roofs immediately, but eventually if you say the word a fast forward to say 15 years from now, it will be unusual to have a roof that does not have solo this. Is there a mental model thing that people don't get.

Had that there's there's been because of the shift in this is the costume economics of solar power that like most houses actually have enough sunlight on their roof pretty much to power all of their needs. If you could capture the power it could pretty much power all their needs right you could be you could go off grid kind of yeah. It depends on where you are and what the house size is relative to the roof area. But yet it's very it's a fair statement to say that most houses in the US have enough roof area to power all the needs of the house..

Okay, so it's so the the key to the economics of the cars the semi these houses is the the falling price of Lithium-ion batteries, which you've made a huge bet on is test for many ways that's almost the core competency and and you've decided that to really like own that competency. You just have to build the world's largest manufacturer particular double the world supply of lithium ion battery..

Is with this guy, what is this? Yeah, so that's the gigafactory the progress so far in the gigafactory. Eventually, you can sort of roughly see that there's it's a there's sort of a diamond shape overall and when it's fully done, it'll be it'll look like a giant diamond or that's the idea behind it. And so lined on True North is a small detail of it and I'm incapable of producing like a hundred eventually like a hundred gigawatt hours..

Hours of the batteries a year under gigawatt hours within probably more video and they're actually being produced right now already here, right your brother's already that this video. Yeah. I mean is that speed it up or that's the that's the slowed down version..

How fast does actually go well when it's running at full speed you can't actually see the cells without a strobe light. It's just blur and help. I mean one of your one of your core ideas, you know about about what makes an exciting future is a future webinar longer feel guilty about energy how help us picture this I mean how many gigafactory is if you like does it take to get us there?.

A hundred roughly. It's not tennis. Not a thousand most likely a hundred..

Yeah, I kind of find this amazing like you can actually picture if that's right. You can picture what it would take to move the world off this vast fossil fuel thing. It's like you're building one cost five billion dollars, maybe the next one or whatever met five to ten billion dollars like it's it's kind of cool that you can picture that that project and you're planning to do a Tesla at least another to announce another to this year..

I think I will announce locations for somewhere between 2 and 4 Giga factories later this year. Yeah, probably for whoa. Okay. I can't I can't tease tip no more teasing from you for here. Like we're continent you can say no..

We need to address a global market. Okay, this is cool. I think we should talk for actually double market. So I'm I have to ask you one quick. I can I ask you one question about politics only one. I'm kind of sick apologize, but I didn't ask you this your your body now giving advice to.

A guy who has said he doesn't really believe in climate change and there's a lot of people out there who kind of think you shouldn't be doing that. They're like you to walk away from that. What would you say to them? Well, I think that there's very first of all, I'm just on to advisory councils where the format consists of going around the room and asking people's opinion on things. And so there's like a meeting every month or two..

you know, that's the sum total of my contribution by think to agree that there are people in the room who arguing in favor of doing something about climate change or you know other you know, some sort of social issues, you know, I mean, I've used that the meetings I've had thus far to argue in favor of immigration and in favor of climate change and if you hadn't done that.

They weren't that wasn't on the agenda before so maybe nothing will happen. But at least the words were said..

Okay..

So let's talk SpaceX and Mars last time you were here. You spoke about this. What seemed like a kind of incredibly ambitious dream to develop Rockets are actually reusable and you've only gotten done it. I mean talk us finally took us through this. What what are we looking at here?.

Yes, this is one of our rocket boosters coming back from very very high very high and fast and space. So just delivered the the upper stage at High Velocity. I think this may have been a server mark seven or so delivery of the out of the apis tej. That was that was that was a setup. That's the slowed down version that that was that was just.

But I mean that's that's amazing and several of these failed before you finally figured out. Yeah, how'd it get to do it, but now you've landed you've done the swap five or six times. I think we're eight eight or nine or seven. Yeah. And for the first time of its cheery flown one of the yeah Rockets landed so mad at the are allowed the rocket booster and then prepped it for flight again and flute flute again. So it's so it's the first re flight of a novel overall booster where that refight is relevant, so it's once.

To appreciate that reusability is only relevant if it is rapid rapid and complete right so like an aircraft or a car. The reusability is rapid and complete you do not send your aircraft into two Boeing in between flights, right? So this is 92 dream of this this really ambitious idea of sending many many many people to Mars and what in 10 or 20 years 20 years time, I guess. Yeah in the next four years and you.

Sign this outrageous rocket to do it just go to help us understand the scale of this thing. Well visually you can see that..

person.

Yeah, that's the vehicle so if that if that was this skyscraper, that's like a 40 degree that 40 stories. Yeah, that's real little more. Yeah..

The yeah, but the thrust level this is really this configuration is about four times the thrust of us of the Saturn V. Moon rocket four times the thrust of the biggest rocket Humanity ever created before. Yeah. Yeah, I mean in as one does yeah..

I mean in units of 747 747 is only about a quarter million pounds of thrust. So that's so there are probably 10 million pounds of thrust this 4747. So this would be the thrust equivalent of a hundred and a hundred twenty 747s with all engines blazing and so even even with a machine designed to escape its gravity. I think you told me last that's it. Just think that actually take a fully loaded 747 people cargo everything into into into.

Exactly. This this can take a fully loaded 747 with with maximum fuel maximum passengers maximum cargo on the 747. This can take it as cargo. So based on this you you presented recently this interplanetary transport system, which is visualized this way and this is a senior picture whiten in 30 years time 20 years time people walking into this..

This rocket. I mean, I'm hopeful it's sort of in the eighth it your 8 to 10-year time frame. Aspirationally. That's our Target. I went total targets were more aggressive but I think yeah. Okay. So this thing big girl seems quite large and is large by comparison with other Rockets. I think the future spacecraft will be will make this look like a rowboat. I mean this is.

The future spacious will be truly enormous. Why Ilan because this because what like why do we need to build a city on Mars with a million people on it in your lifetime, which I think is kind of what you've said you'd love to do..

Yeah, I think it's important to have a future that is inspiring and appealing it. I just think that they're like they have to be reasons that you get up in the morning and you want to live like why do you want to live? What's the point? What inspires you what what do you love about the future and if we're not out there if a future is not include being out there among the stars and being a multi-planet species. I find that it's incredibly depressing if that's not the future..

that we're going to have.

people people want to position this as an either-or that there are so there are so many desperate things happening on the planet now from climate poverty to you know, you pick your pick your issue and and and this this this feels like a distraction your you shouldn't be thinking about this. You should be solving what's here now and to be fair you've done a feral bit to actually do that with with your, you know, work on sustainable energy, but why not just do that?.

I think there's.

look at the future from a standpoint of the probabilities. It's like it's like a branching stream of probabilities and there are actions that we can take that affect those probabilities or that accelerate one thing or slow down. Another thing. I make introduce something new to the probability stream..

Sustainable energy will happen no matter what if there was no Tesla telling them it never existed. It would have to happen out of necessity is tautological if you until you if you don't have sustainable energy means you have unsustainable energy. Eventually you'll run out and the the laws of Economics will drive drive civilization towards sustainable energy inevitably the the fundamental value of coming like Tesla is the degree to which it accelerates the Advent of sustainable..

Energy faster than it would otherwise occur. So when I think like what is the fundamental goal of kind of like Tesla? I would say it. Hopefully it does if it if it accelerated that by a decade potentially more than a decade that would be quite a good thing to occur. That's what I consider to be the fundamental sort of aspirational GERD of Tesla. Then there's becoming a multi-planet species and spacefaring..

Ization this is not inevitable. It's very important to appreciate this is not inevitable the sustainable energy future. I think is largely inevitable but being spacefaring civilization is definitely not inevitable. If you look at the at the progress and space in 1969 were able to send somebody to the Moon..

1969 hmm then we had the space shuttle that the space shuttle could only take people to low earth orbit. Then a space shuttle retired and United States could take no one to Obits. So that's the trend as far as like down to nothing. This is not who I mistaken when they think that technology just automatically improves. It does not automatically improve it only improves. If a lot of people work very hard to make it..

Better and actually it will I think by itself degrade actually you look at Great civilizations like ancient Egypt and they're able to make the permits and they forgot how to do that and the Romans they built these incredible aqueducts they forgot how to do it..

You know it almost seems you know, listening to a look at the different things. You've done that you've got this this unique double motivation on everything that I find. So interesting. We you know, which is what one is this desire to work for Humanity's long to good the other is this desire to do something exciting and it's it's often it feels like you feel like you need the one to drive the other with with Tesla you want to have sustainable energy. So you make these super except sexy exciting cars to do it..

You know solar energy we need to get that. So we need to make this beautiful roofs. We haven't even spoken about your newest thing which we don't have time to do but you want to save Humanity from Bad Ai. And so you're going to create this really cool brain-machine interface to give us all infinite memory and telepathy and so forth and on a Mars, it feels like what you're saying is yeah. We need we need to save humanity and have a back-up plan. But also we need to inspire humanity and.

And this is this is a way to inspire..

I think I think the the value of hearing is variation is very much underrated. No question, but I want to be clear. I like I'm not trying to be anyone savior. That is not the I'm just trying to think about the future and not be sad..

Beautiful sentiment. I think everyone here would agree that it is not..

None of this is going to happen inevitably the fact that in your mind you dream this stuff you dream stuff that no one else would dare dream or no one else would be capable of dreaming at the level of complexity that you do. In fact you do that, you know mask is a really remarkable thing. Thank you for helping us all to dream of Erica, but you'll tell me if it ever starts getting genuinely insane right? Thank you..